Join us for a conversation with Dr. Rochelle Calvert and Dave Smith, Secular Dharma Podcast, to listen in on Rochelle and Dave as they explore how mindfulness, psychology, and connection to nature are doorways to deepen our understanding of healing and liberation from suffering. They explore the topics of how Rochelle entered the stream of Dharma teachings, how psychology weaves itself in and out of Dharma teachings, and how the practice of healing with nature is a way to explore and integrate both of these wisdom paths.